Bocice

[BigBud]

Godinama koristim 10,20,30 ml standardne bocice, domace proizvodnje i vec mi polako postaje muka svaki cas ih dopunjavati.
Gledam kod Kineza, ima po Ali-ju dosta chubby/unicorn/kakogodasezovu bocica razlicite zapremine.
Da li ih je neko kupovao i ako jeste, kakvi su utisci?

[Oddy]

Šta ja znam...ništa posebno, bar ove sa kojima imam iskustva.



Ova prva, crna, aj da kažemo da je chubby varijanta. Dobio sam je u nekoj razmeni i ne koristim je uopšte. Čekam da se potroši tečnost u njoj pa će da leti. Em što je tvrda plastika koja se trajno deformiše pa užasno izgleda na oko, em što curi kada je zatvorena i položi se. Nemam pojma gde je uzeta.

Druga, bela, recimo da je unicorn, je FT kupovina od 30ml. Odlično su se pokazale za dripovanje. Za dopunu RTA treba malo više živaca jer sporije ide. Generalno su ok i nemam nekih zamerki, mada ne znam kakve su veće varijante.

Ono što najviše koristim, u poslednje vreme, su Ihnalikine plastične bočice 100ml (5 Kom). Dosta su praktične i baš sam zadovoljan. Kada uzimam nešto od njih, gledam da ubacim bar jedan paket. Menjam ih nakon nekoliko punjenja (najviše 3) ili godinu dana, jer mi se ne igra sa plastikom, a za to vreme drže formu i obavljaju funkciju

[Milanez]

sta moze da se desi?nagriza ,rastvori se ...?

[Oddy]

Recimo, ovo sam našao sada na brzinu. Pitanje na sajtu cyclonsvapor.com "Is it Safe to Store Eliquid in Plastic Bottles?" i odgovor ispod:

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A. It depends on the type of plastic you want to use. Some plastics are more resilient than others.

B. Along the same lines, we don't really know which bottles are safer or whether the variable acidity of nicotine-based eliquids will leech components from the plastic bottle.

C. Speaking of leeching; we don’t know where those plastic bottles have come from and what’s in them. Some of the biggest concerns with consumables going into reused plastics are Bisphenol A (BPA), Styrene and Phthalates.

• Bisphenol A (BPA) has a hormone-like effect and at high levels can affect brain and reproductive development in animal studies. Human studies are lacking, but there is suspicion in the scientific community that high levels of bisphenol A can affect humans. (source material here)
  
• Styrene is a compound that causes oxidative damage to tissues and DNA. Styrene has been associated with hearing loss and nervous system diseases in humans. There may also be an association between styrene exposure and the development of pancreatic cancer. (source material here)
  
• Phthalates are another group of chemicals that mimic hormones. Phthalates are associated with lower sperm counts, DNA damage to sperm, male infertility, and developmental and reproductive abnormalities. (source material here)
  

D. Other big concerns; it depends on how long that bottle has been used, what's been used in it, what it has been cleaned with (detergents can lead to the breakdown of plastics) and what it's made of. A lot of plastic bottles are made with polyethylene terephthalate (PET) which is difficult to completely clean and is rather porous. Bacteria can easily grow on the surface of PET containers, especially after it is covered with liquid film. While PET is rather durable, it can begin to degrade, particularly after being exposed to heat, sunlight, or prolonged use. If the company actually manufactured it as a biodegradable plastic container then that could lead to other issues – as these are designed to break down easier and again we don’t know how these types of container plastics react to nicotine-based eliquids. (some source material on plastics and biodegradation)

Depending on where you got the bottle and if the manufacturer used good practices in the production process, there should be a PIC code on the bottle. Sometimes found within the Recycling triangle on the bottom of bottles or it may just be shown as a number.


Here’s a run down of PIC codes to help you identify what is generally regarded as safe (GRAS) for reuse (depending on application of course – some don’t apply to how we typically store eliquid)

#1 Polyethylene terephthalate (PET, PETE), typically found in soft drink and water bottles. It is important to recycle these containers after their initial use, mostly due to the risk for bacterial growth from reuse after improper cleaning. This type of plastic is generally more porous which affords bacteria a good place to hide. These containers can begin to degrade with prolonged use, exposure to excessive heat, ultraviolet light from the sun, and high pressure.

#2 High Density Polyethylene (HDPE), typically found in milk, juice, and reusable water bottles. This plastic is considered safe and can be reused with cool liquids. Heat, bleach, and strong detergents can damage the plastic which can lead to break-down of the containers.

#3 Polyvinyl chloride (V or PVC), typically found in juice bottles. Phthalates are used to soften this type of plastic, and certain containers can leach phthalates with prolonged or inappropriate usage.

#4 Low Density Polyethylene (LDPE), typically found in squeeze bottle, flexible container lids, and squeeze-bottles. This plastic is considered safe if used properly.

#5 Polypropylene (PP), typically found in reusable, microwaveable containers, kitchenware, and margarine tubs. This plastic is considered safe if used properly.

#6 Polystyrene (PS), typically found in egg cartons, Styrofoam cups, and take-home containers. This plastic can release styrene... but you’re probably not going to put your eliquid into a Chinese takeout box or foam carton so I wouldn’t worry too much about this one.

#7 Other, including Lexan and polycarbonate (PC) containers. Polycarbonate plastic is used in baby bottles and some water bottles. It is a hard plastic that resists stains and flavors. Polycarbonate plastic (Lexan) releases bisphenol A. Polycarbonate plastic will release more bisphenol A when exposed to hot liquids, chemicals, or strong detergents.

The most appropriate containers for eliquid would likely fall into PIC 2 or 4, but again keep in mind that we (our industry) don’t have enough research or data to state whether or not specific plastics – even low density polyethylene squeeze bottles – are safe to use with eliquid.

With all that said, be cautious even if you’re just storing some eliquid in a plastic container for day to day use. Be conscious of the age of the container, where it comes from, and what it’s made of. If you do use them, recycle them frequently and start fresh instead of washing them with detergents for continued reuse.

Kada smognem snage, prevedem.

[Milanez]

dobrodosao bi prevod .hvala

[Milanez]

oddy ,jel u pitanju nesto toksicno il cisto kvalitet arome?
btw i ja koristim bocice iz inhalike

[Oddy]

Problem je u hemijskom sastavu same plastike. Postoji više tipova plastčnih ambalaža i neke su sklone da ispuštaju svašta nešto što je loše po naš organizam. Samim tim što u plastici ima svašta nešto što je loše ako dospe u naš organizam, ja ni ove "zdravije" plastike ne gledam kao totalno bezbedne pa je to razlog što ih redovno menjam.

Ono na šta treba obratiti pažnju je oznaka koju bi svaka plastična ambalaža morala da ima. Obično se nalazi na dnu plastičnih bočica, trougao sa brojem u sredini. Na slici ispod je prikazano koji brojevi su opasni a koji ne (i ove "bezbedne" uzimam sa rezervom).



Broj jedan su uglavnom plastične ambalaže namenjene za jednokratnu upotrebu i nije preporučeno da se ponovo koriste kada se jednom isprazne. Svaka flaša za vodu, sok i ostale rečnosti koje sam kupovao po prodavnicama mešovite robe su pakovane upravo u PET plastiku, tj plastiku sa brojem 1. Da li smo zbog ovoga već kontaminirani ili ne...nisam pametan

2, 4 i 5 bi trebale da su "dobre" plastike.

Ostale treba izbegavati u širokom krugu.


(ova recka crnim marker je moj način obeležavanja koliko puta sam je napunio do sada)

E sad, ono što mene najviše brine su tečnosti sa citrusima, cimetom i šta već ima, koje dokazano nagrizaju plastiku. Upravo degradacijom plastike se dobijaju nepoželjni elementi. Za ovakve tipove tečnosti bih definitivno preporučio skladišenje u staklenoj ambalaži.

PS. bočice koje sam slikao u drugom postu su sve sa oznakom 2, osim prve chubby varijante, koju sada kada sam pogledao, ću ipak da bacim bez da potrošim to šta je u njoj

[BigBud]

Sad sam video da je miniplast ubacio u ponudu i 50ml bocice sto je carski, ranije ih nije bilo.
Bocice su LDPE pa cu njih uzeti. Jeste da su ove chubby zgodnije ali su sve od pe/pet plastike.
Ja sve drzim u staklu i presipam u manje bocice iz prakticnih razloga, nosenja i dosipanja u tank.

[Milanez]

pa i sam tank (od ovog mog dvarw klona ) je verovatno neki tip plastike

[Oddy]

Odosmo u totalno suprotnu temu

Tankovi na atomizerima su uglavnom od sledećih materijala: PC, PEI, PMMA, koji, koliko sam gledao, nisu potencionalno opasni (možda grešim). Glavna polemika se vodi oko Bisphenol A (BPA).